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Comment #245905 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Sorry, root:

would defend your society because you want to survive, you want to pass on your genes.

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Could I suggest that you read The Suicide of Reason & Civilization and its Enemies by Lee Harris? Rational self interest just isn't enough of a motivational force. You need a code of honor, because it is only a code of honor that can inspire the fanaticism that is necessary. Yes, fanaticism. If your society can't invoke fanaticism when it's necessary, then you are at a deadly disadvantage to those that can.

However, patriotism is an enabler in dividing people into societies/countries. Not the only one, but certainly one.

Of course it is. And I wouldn't disagree that we might have a better world if noone had this vision. Yet the problem is like that of nuclear weapons: there will always be those who are willing to use fanaticism and in-group/out-group thinking in the service of evil, which means that those on the side of good have to be able to use those tools.

It may be effective in building a strong society, but that does not make it right since there is no darwinian fight going on among societies, countries.

I really don't wish to be rude, but on what planet have you been living? The naked, Hobbesian struggle between societies is what has been going on since our species infancy. The sad, adult truth is that war isn't an aberration, but the human condition. Yes, it bloody sucks, but that's the way things are.

Those areas where war has been abolished for any length of time is when one power has dominated the rest and laid down the law - or else. This is why 'the West' has been relatively peaceful for so long: the Pax Americana.

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Comment #245893 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:53 pm

Bonzai, maybe it's just my straightlaced African upbringing, but I don't think that sex is a subject that should be discussed at any point before the kid's twelve.

I also have this wierd idea that children's stories should be entertainment for the kids, not some seedy pc creep's idea of what's wholesome propaganda. Richmal Compton, Sir Walter Scott, and so on are fine enough for kids. For that matter, so are guys like Tolkien.

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Comment #245888 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:45 pm

If that is how some try to make the case for same sex marriage, I would agree that it is stupid

Oh, believe me, Bonzai, there are those that do. There are even childrens books about it (something I vehemently disagree with, btw).

Hence my vehement homospheniscophobia.

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Comment #245880 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:35 pm

Bonzai, there have been cases of pointing to gay penguin couples as a positive example, or to the fact that these sometimes raise young (which they've usually kidnapped, but that bit get's left out...). My point is: they're stinkin' penguins. Whatever the good arguments for gay marriage, the antics of penguins ain't one of them.

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Comment #245869 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Oh, thank goodness: someone sensible to argue with.

root,

I'm pretty sure all the Islamic fundamentalists are very proud of their societies/countries. So I will definitely disagree here and say pride has nothing to do with how good a society is.

I never denied that. Of course they are. So were the Nazis proud of the Fatherland. So were Shaka's troops. Etc. etc. But I wish you'd read my point more carefully: I didn't say it was a mark of how good a society is, but of how strong a society is. The strength I am talking about is amoral, basically the ability of a society to survive in the darwinian fight between societies. You can be as nice and decent and civilized as you want and it all means squat if you can't defend yourself, and so preserve that society. And here's the crunch: any society that can't call on its members to fight when threatened by an enemy, will be erased and wiped from existence. Punkt Aus Basta.

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Comment #245862 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:19 pm

One more point about gay marriage:

It is my firm conviction that there should be no gay marriage, no civil unions, nothing, until the advocates of the same quit pretending that the antics of penguins are in any way relevant.

Yes, I'm homospheniscophobic. I hate hearing about gay penguins and I'm proud of it!

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Comment #245855 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:13 pm

BS I was talking about the United Kingdom - and I was also making the point that anyone who thinks Shariah courts can be voluntary needs their head examined.

Now, do you get that? Or are you so bloody stupid as to be unab - what am I saying? Of course you are that bloody stupid.

N.b.: Vis a viz gay marriage, I have no problem with it, but it isn't a matter of civilizational survival, so I'm none too fussed either way. I am too busy being worried about the ones who want gays' heads cut off.

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Comment #245840 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Roger Stanyard, how about actually thinking for yourself for once and trying to refute my points?

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Comment #245839 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Allow me to demonstrate something basic about this creature: BS has not a word about what is actually going on in the Sudan, or for that matter in the streets of London thanks to those 'voluntary Shariah' courts she likes so much. She only cares to whine about myself, al, & Bush.

"Pathetic" doesn't even cover it.

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Comment #245835 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 12:59 pm

N.B.: BS - I said these streets, here in the UK. I don't know about the US, though I hope they have the sense to put a stop to that nonsense.

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Comment #245831 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Frankus, I'm guessing that their criteria for human development make about as much sense as their criteria for the human rights tribunal.

root, I see where you're coming from, but there are two problems:

1) We owe a huge debt to the society we're born into in terms of the ideas we are even capable of developing, and the options we can explore, and our standard of life. That's not nothing.

2) Even more basically, the pride and group-solidarity that is expressed by patriotism is a society's first bastion of defence. Pride in your society is one of the barometers of that society's strength. Or to put it another way, if you aren't part of a society that teaches its men - and, yes, they'll be predominantly young men in this scenario - that when push comes to shove, you need to fight "for King and Country", you will be eaten alive by those societies that do do this.

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Comment #245818 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 12:46 pm

I'm slamming anyone dumb enough to believe that any Shariah court is 'voluntary'. Not in these streets, girly, not in these streets.

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Comment #245801 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Frankus, the UN is the group that put the Sudan on their Human Rights Commission, so it's unsurprising that they're getting other things wrong too.

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Comment #245799 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 11, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Why am I not surprised that BS is defending 'voluntary' Shariah courts. Yeah, gotta love how they're 'voluntary'. "See here miss fifteen year old muslimah: would you like to volunteer to be under our Shariah, or would you prefer complete social ostracism, constant harrassment, and probable violence and even murder?"

See BS's modus operandi: bitch, bitch, bitch when al & I call the farcical feminist organizations to account, but defend 'voluntary' Shariah courts.

This is really much less of an issue than people on RD.net make it out to be

*claps*
Thank you, Sciros. This is what I said right at the outset. First of all, according to the Newsweek investigative piece she doesn't want to force ID into schools, and secondly, even if she did, she'd achieve nothing more that making the religious right a laughingstock.

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Comment #245320 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 10, 2008 at 1:54 pm

decius, have you ever read "The Gulag Archipelago"? No? Well, it would be worth your while.

It is difficult to drag people away in the middle of the night when those people are armed.

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Comment #245304 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 10, 2008 at 1:46 pm

My two cents on this issue is as follows: Apparently Scotland and England are more violent places than America - by far - so nuts to the more social violence argument. The more basic argument is this: there is only one surefire safeguard against tyranny, and that's an armed citizenry.

Anyway, poking around online, I found out that apparently alot of the charges against Sarah Palin are utter bullshit:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986

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Comment #244638 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 9, 2008 at 9:21 am

Very well written. It is surprising how many otherwise intelligent people fall for this post-modernist guff.

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Comment #244623 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 9, 2008 at 9:05 am

al, thank you. It's nice to see someone getting it.

I am a capitalist, a laissez faire capitalist. That means I would oppose, absolutely, any attempt to make prostitution or pornography or anything similar illegal. That doesn't mean I approve of it, anymore than I approve of peddling crystal nonsense.

On to you, GoatBoy:

I'm not sure what to make of this. Wouldn't a real dyed-in-the-wool Christian (like Sarah Palin) or a dyed-in-the-wool Islamist (like Ayman al-Zawahiri) say that their values, and not yours, are what is "required" in order to make sense of, and to make the best of, human life

No, they wouldn't, and here's the reason why. Neither Christianity nor Islam hold the life of the individual human being as the standard. They consider it a means to an end, the end being God's will. That is, they place a value higher than that of the individual human life.

Now what happens when you do that? In any hierarchy of values you always end up sacrificing a lesser value to gain a higher one. You work it out.


EDIT: kaiserkriss, that was beautiful! I really enjoyed it.

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Comment #244580 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 9, 2008 at 7:13 am

Al, you know you're pushing at an open door with me. I did say that the choice in most elections was that of a man on a raft having to decide between drinking seawater or his own urine.

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Comment #244560 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 9, 2008 at 6:41 am

GoatBoy, yeah I saw it. I don't think it's really relevant. Slips of the tongue happen to everyone, and given the 'Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim' guff that's being trotted out, I don't really care about that.

Apart from anything else, it distracts from the real issue.

decius, sorry if I am being dense, but I took the statement literally. If I misread it, please correct me.

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Comment #244499 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 9, 2008 at 12:03 am

Dispiracist, the 'Politically incorrect guid to Islam' is a good book, if it is a little easy on Christianity in it. Nonetheless the author, Robert Spencer, is first rate on the subject of Islam.


More generally, I don't trust most of the 'Pol. Incorr.' guides, because they also include a creationist screed. That does little to inspire confidence.

EDIT: Just heard from the grapevine that Robert Spencer, on attending Freedom Fest, said "I'm not an atheist, but Hitchens almost turned me into one". :-D

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Comment #244497 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:57 pm

It seems to me you feel that way about morality as well -- that there is a moral truth, a "correct" right and wrong, to arrive at. To understand.

And it's here where the disagreement lies.

I'd quibble slightly here: if you read these responses to me, most are in a tone of moral condemnation that I write this way. Moral condemnation? Why, if it isn't implicitly assumed that there is some standard by which I'm wrong?

What I'm getting at is this: in that comparison, let's say you make a decision on which values are "more correct." On what basis did you make that decision? What formed that basis? When you get down to the nitty-gritty -- the most rudimentary foundation of your value system -- I want to know a single absolute that makes a claim about "good" and/or "evil" -- the currency of morality.

All excellent questions, Sciros. On what basis do I select my moral values? It's relatively simple: not 'only' do they lead to human greatness (justice, courage and so on), but they're fundamental requirements of human life. Take one virtue I value: reason. Do you care to imagine what life would be like without it? Or what kind of a world we'd see without justice? And switching from the collective to the personal, can you imagine what a life would be like, lived without purpose, justice, or honesty? I've seen people go down that road; it doesn't lead anywhere anyone wants to be.

A point about Justice is quite well illustrated by the following quote:

That's their private choice. By no means do those people serve as a paragon of morality, decency or dignity, just because you say so.

'Those people' refers to some of the examples I gave. One of them was a maid in Lesotho who had five kids and was bringing them up will working very long hours. So, apparently working hard to raise your children isn't an example of personal dignity, of endurance, of courage? That's what I mean when I say I can't default on justice one way or another, because I know what the implications are.

As you say, Sciros, I'm sure we share most of the same values. That's another parallel with science. If my groups spent all the time focusing on the things we agree on, we'd never get anything done. We spend alot of time arguing about the details.

Anyway, I hope that gives you some idea of what I'm driving at.

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Comment #244372 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 3:31 pm

An addendum: In the same way, I might add, that becaue you're true to your standards, you have to attack me now. If you honestly don't see this as a matter of human degradation, then it follows that I'm being grotesquely unjust, and you therefore have to attack me for saying this. Whereas I would consider it unjust not to say it.

So we're stuck.

EDIT:

decius, I hope that my comments above will clarify this. It isn't about what consenting adults , or about homosexuality, or about transsexuality, or about any of this. It's about having seen how people in the lousiest of circumstances fight to maintain their dignity - and not being able to stand seeing others throw it away for no reason.

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Comment #244370 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Not wishing to be pedantic here, Sciros, but I don't see any emphasis :-).

but rather an effort to point out to you that your morals are no more infallible than ours, or potentially anyone else's, even if they should differ

Of course not. I don't claim infallibility in morality anymore than I claim infallibility in my scientific work. But just in the same way that I must proceed to work under the assumption that the data I've gathered and integrated are right, so too I must proceed in the field of morality. I've been wrong in both before: I've just found an annoying error that's lead my work up a blind alley for the last few months. There have also been times - not many, but some - when I've had to completely revise my moral outlook. In both science and morality, I can check and be scrupulous, but it's never possible to be completely 'certain'. I trust you see what I'm getting at.

Now, when you and I have a disagreement about some point or another, given that you strike me as an honest person, I make the reasonable assumption that you honestly think you're right about the point, else you wouldn't be holding it. Of course, I honestly think I'm right. But we can't both be right, so the discussion needs to continue, one way or another, until the data proves one or the other wrong.

So much for the theoretical. Now onto this specific. Here's an example: in my youth, one of the figures who truly inspired me was Nelson Mandela. If you ever get a chance to read "Long Walk to Freedom", do so. I remember reading about how he studied by candlelight after returning from the mine, how he and his comrades still earned degrees even when stuck in damn Robben Islam. Above all I remember how he fought to keep his dignity and integrity intact, despite the hideous state he'd been trapped in. All of that makes me feel the most profound admiration and reverence, the feeling that here's someone it's a honour to share a species with. The sheer dedication, determination and struggle is breathtaking.

Now, switch to BS over here. What I see is the exact opposite of those qualities that inspire me with reverence and awe. I see renunciation instead of perseverance. I see selling out for no reason, instead of integrity in the face of terrible odds. That is why I say I necessarily feel contempt. It's two sides of the same coin.

As I said, I could very easily keep quiet or play nice. I know that this sort of rhetoric wins me no friends. But to do otherwise would be to betray those standards I hold, and, by extension, my knowledge of those who inspired them in the first place. I simply won't do that.

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Comment #244329 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Okay, Sciros, here's my defintion of Justice: it's a recognition of the fact that human beings have an absolute, independant existence, that they are what they are that appraising a human being requires the same kind of study as does a cell or a molecule. And further: that dealing with them means dealing with them as they are, and that my moral appraisal is what I owe all human beings, that to withhold my admiration from human virtue won't make it any less great, or to withhold my contempt from human vice won't make it any less obscene. The admiration I feel when I look up to my heroes comes from the same source as the contempt I feel for BS.

As I said, I'm sorry it ruffles feathers, because I do respect you, Sciros & Elli & Bonzai & al. But I simply cannot do otherwise. To 'play nice' would be to me a grotesque betrayal of everything I value and everything that has always inspired me.


EDIT:

Why don't our rapid pro capitalism moralists here get as worked up about sweatshops?

Okay, it's 'doesn't', first of all. Secondly, my views aren't directed at someone forced by circumstance to work in such a line. You really think that I'd feel contempt towards those poor bastards in, say, Cape Town, who really don't have a choice?

That is the reason for my ire. I have seen too many poor bastards stuck in the worst situations because of the mess their society's in, and who'd give anything for the chances we enjoy thanks to the accident of birth. Do you get that?

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Comment #244314 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Bonzai, I have no coercive power, nor do I seek it. So cut that damn stupid 'Mullah' stuff out.

No, quite a few of my closest friends are homosexual. I respect them profoundly, for their qualities of character.

Just answer me one question though: How come you demand that I respect BS's choices, but you won't respect my choices to live by a certain set of values?

EDIT:

Bonzai, I support capitalism. Capitalism means no government regulation of free trade. Of course, pornography and sex-work would be legal in such a situation. I never said that I sought legal or any other coercive power about this. I simply stated my views on the matter.

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Comment #244309 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 2:35 pm

al, with respect, I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in 'judge ye not, lest ye be judged'.

As I said, I believe in Justice. I cannot feel admiration for human greatness without feeling contempt for human corruption. It really is that simple. I am sorry if this ruffles feathers, but, as you may have noticed, there are things I place above being liked.

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Comment #244302 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Elli to paraphrase Fermat, there is a truly marvelous proof of this that, unfortunately, this chatboard is too small to contain. Not least because it is getting very late for me, and I have work the next day.

So, instead, I'll observe one thing: you chide me for speaking my mind, but you don't seem to grant the same tolerance to my choice to live by the recognition of certain values.

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Comment #244294 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm

mord, correct, they don't have to.

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Comment #244289 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 2:15 pm

What Brandy chooses to do to make money, and whether or not it involves genitalia, should not be the source of people's scorn

Sorry, Elli, but yes it damn well should be. I've seen people living in circumstances so hard you'd have trouble believing it. And yet, they all kept a sense of dignity. They knew what it meant to be human and to have self-respect. I've worked with kids who could never count on having enough to eat - yet they'd wouldn't even consider swearing. I've seen what the human spirit means in some of the poorest places on earth.

And here, in the middle of the wealthiest societies of earth, we find a creature that doesn't even make the effort, that, with all the opportunities the West has to offer, chooses degradation. Well, I see and I judge. My admiration for what is great in humanity necessitates my loathing for what is corrupt and rotten.


EDIT: Sciros, you can consider that my answer.

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Comment #244270 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:58 pm

teapot, there is such a thing as decency. As self-respect. As human worth. As value.

Or what is your argument? That it's okay to critise someone's religion, but not their self-degradation?

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Comment #244266 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:54 pm

You are a whore. You're not even a whore by desperate necessity, but by conscious choice of self-degradation. How dare you try to speak to your betters - and, yes, everyone here is your better.

Growing up in Africa I knew women who worked as maids while bringing up five kids, and they wouldn't have let you in their two-room houses even by the back door.

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Comment #244260 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:46 pm

al another question:

What the heck does kthxbai mean?

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Comment #244256 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Call that feminism? I rest my case. Whores, liars, and hypocrites - oh, the suffragets would have wept to see what the modern movement has become.

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Comment #244236 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:17 pm

al, I'm less nice than you. A good friend of mine is trans, so that's not a problem. However, I have a loathing of whores like this one.

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Comment #244226 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:11 pm

BS noone gives a damn. A Porn Star? So you're a whore, plain and simple.

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Comment #244220 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 1:04 pm

You'll agree, BS? Took you long enough.

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Comment #244213 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 12:54 pm

al I never thought I'd say this, but I kinda feel nostalgic for joe after dealing with this.

BS, $10 a month to the Ayaan Hirsi Ali security fund, £50 a month to the Iranian dissidents organization, and a hundred quid every so often to JihadWatch and some sundry donations here and there. I scatter my donations.

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Comment #244206 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Okay, it's official: BS is a lying little troll, and such an incompetent liar that she can't even make up one that's believable for two seconds. Noone, noone who reads my comments could believe that I didn't defend Ayaan Hirsi Ali or the nascent women's rights organizations in the Islamic world. Which mainstream feminists have completely failed to do.

It think I can see why: BS can't get it through her thick skull that the organizations she keeps defending have betrayed everything they once stood for. And she also can't believed that a rightist could possibly be fighting for human rights.

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Comment #244204 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Feminist organizations, you simpering little fool. A while back I wrote this:

my hostility to the mainstream feminist organisations is that they, one and all, are completely gutless when it comes to Islam. When real, actual threats to women's rights emerge, they turn tail and run. Here's an example: a while back the head Mufti of Australia passed a fatwa saying that in 90% of the cases where a woman is raped, it's her fault, not the man's. What did the feminists do? Sweet eff-ay. They were too busy showing solidarity with the 'palestinians' and chanting 'We are all Hezbollah!' (as NOW did).

Or when Ayaan Hirsi Ali was hounded out of government on bogus technicalities because she was defending the rights of Muslim immigrant women - where were the feminists? Where are their large-scale campaigns to pay for her protection, now that she has had her bodyguards stripped from her? (BTW, I am proud supporter of that charity, and I urge everyone to do likewise).

Phyllis Chesler has written very powerfully about the abject failure of feminists to confront Islam's gender apartheid. "The Death of Feminism" a very good book. And she is continually proved right. A journalist risked his neck to show what is being preached in British Mosques - such things that the Woman is eternally deficient, incapable of reasoning, the man is set over her, and that marriage of a nine-year old girl to a fifty-year old man is perfectly acceptable. Once again, where were the feminists?

Oh, and you might have noticed Germaine Greer saying that Clitorectimonies need to be respected as a cultural practice.

The feminist establishment is rotted right to the core. It is corrupt, incompetent, mendacious, and cowardly.

Fortunately, this doesn't apply to the rank-and-file who vaguely call themselves feminists. And, even more fortunatelly, real heroines, who actually do give a damn about women's rights, and human rights, and the continuation of civilisation are emerging. They have names like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Brigitte Gabriel etc.

[...]

Let me give you another example: friend of mine in Edinburgh is a feminist, active - I think - in one of the organisations of that city. Anyway, she had never heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali until I sent around, asking people do donate to her protection.

What is that? What is that? What is it when a member of a feminist organisation hears about one of the bravest women alive today not from the organisation, but from an outsider such as myself?

The reason is, and I've made this point before, that a depressing amount of the feminist establishment just are interested in a kind of fantasy role-play, that paints them as the Brave Heroes Defying The Evil White Kristian Kapitalist Patriarchy! For this kind of masturbatory self-glorification it helps to have an 'enemy' against whom fighting not only entails no risk, but also no controversy. There is a reason we hear little complaints about the 150 rapes per day in the New South Africa.

Taking on something like Islam requires real courage, the willingness to stake your life. And if you read people who have fought against real oppression, such as Nelson Mandela or AHA, you see that they didn't do it to glorify themselves, but because someone had to do it.

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Comment #244198 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm

*winces* Oh for... al, that was unecessary.

BS find one single goddamn quote of mine defending Islam. Just try it.

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Comment #244178 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Fanusi plays both the skin flute and rusty trombone, perhaps you two should do a duet?

Sorry, al, I have no idea what that even means.

I find it seriously ironic that BS wants me to defend Islam. I take it she hasn't been following these forums too closely. She has also managed to sidestep the abject craveness of her feminist organizations.

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Comment #244154 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:27 am

Because their idiots who don't understand this war. On the other hand, JihadWatch had a link up even before this site, and everyoen worth spit donated

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Comment #244150 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:25 am

Why the hell would I defend an ideology I wish to see wiped from existence? But your the one who's defending these simpering hypocrites.

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Comment #244146 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:20 am

*nods* Good. Then you're at least not a complete fool. Then how do you account that on the website of one of the largest feminist organizations in the world, there is not one mention of her? Explain that one to me, and I'll explain why I'd like to see these defunct dinosaurs dismantled from the top-down.

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Comment #244140 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:16 am

The evils of feminist organizations you poor little fool. I provide you with a link to NOW's website where, in response to a very specific search, I recieved the following reply:

Sorry, your search for ayaan hirsi-ali did not find any results.

On NOW's website. While real feminists - you know, ones who actually care about women's rights and equality, - are literally risking their lives in the fight against Islam, the mainstream organizations are too busy playing with themselves to even put a 'donate' button on their website.

So the hell with the lot of them. There's a name for people like that.

For the record, how much are you donating each month to keep Ayaan Hirsi Ali alive, Brandy? Well? How much?

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Comment #244131 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:09 am

The hell...? Do they issue you lot with talking points or something?

That selfsame comment was whipped, thrashed and utterly dismembered by my rightist blogs just a few days ago.

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Comment #244130 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:07 am

Why am I not surprised?

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Comment #244123 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:04 am

Oh, Jesus, I thought we'd chased her away. Brandy out of interest, what was that degree in?

700. Palin: average isn't good enough

Comment #244122 by Fanusi Khiyal on September 8, 2008 at 11:03 am

Just since this thread is, at least nominally, about Palin, I was watching, utterly unsurprised, the way the feminists threw their principles out the window the instant a woman with an R after her name appeared on the political scene. But if you really, really want to see why I loathe them with an intensity bordering on madness, follow this link:

http://www.now.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=ayaan hirsi-ali&s=RPD&ul=