Comments by Bonzai

401. Anti-religion agenda among social media users

Comment #280812 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Frankus,

Chretein and Martin are both Catholics and they both support same sex marriage.

How deep or convincing is a faith that you are willing to live by only if it accords with reason?

That depends on what you mean by "faith". I realize religious moderates don't define "faith" as "believing without evidence", but rather something like "make the best judgement based on evidence and leave the rest to God". So in practice it is not so different from what a rational atheist would do except for the psychological clutch (not all atheists are rational.Example: DP)

402. Obama the Secularist

Comment #280804 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 11:36 am

Well I think politicians' religious belief should be their own business unless it intrudes into politics.

We shouldn't be doing witch hunt about Obama's religion, I thought only the Christian Right do that (for different reasons, of course)

403. Obama the Secularist

Comment #280787 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 10:56 am

Ed,

Did the numbers get up-dated? They look quite a bit better. But still close. Thanks for the good news. :)

404. Tolerance Over Race Can Spread, Studies Find

Comment #280783 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 10:50 am

Comment #280781 by Steve Zara

So the Martin Sheen character is no longer President?

Never watch the show except this on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs

Should have posted this on the other thread where "Dr. Laura" was mentioned.

405. Obama the Secularist

Comment #280777 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 10:22 am

debaser71

Do you know how close the popular votes were? It was 51% for Obama and 48% for McCain.

This, despite Obama's charisma, his sensible program, his well organized machine to get the votes out and unprecedented amount of money. On the other side was an old, tired, fumbling Republican candidate without a vision and Sarah Palin. That after 8 years of Bush and the Wall street melt down.

Obama could have easily lost if, say, Sarah Palin spent a few more hours preparing before she met the media and appeared less incompetent.

Don't let Obama's landslide victory on election night fool you. This was not possible without the electorial college system, which is actually deeply undemocratic. A historical number of people came out to vote for Obama, but an unprecedented number also came out to make sure that the black man, the "socialist" would never get elected, they lost only by 3%. The U.S. is still a deeply conservative country. It has not been transformed, not yet. It is still very scary.

So I completely understand why Obama had to get moderate religious votes. But you want him to sound like Dawkins. Dawkins himself said that he is no politician, I am sure he can understand why a politician would need to sound like one.

EDIT: I read the entire speech. You need to parse it carefully to seperate the content from the rhetorics. In substance it is a speech in favour of secularism. He paid some non denominational, symbolic tributes to religion. Big deal.

406. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280714 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 5:52 am

Narib

Havent seen his views. But the idea of card game with made up rules isnt too far away from how I see it.
I do believe that capitalism does provide a basis for a workable economic system though. So I dont see it as totally artificial.

I was talking about the myth of "wealth creation".

The bulk of economical activities consist of circulation of wealth, not by creating new wealth.

With our current technology, we are quite capable of providing a decent living standard for everyone on the planet.

Take food, for example. There is no food shortage, instead we overproduce. Starvation occurs because the poor cannot afford the price.

Depression and recession happen not because of scarcity, but because there is low demand. Goods get piled up without customers (speaking of which I am waiting for a recession sale to go on a shopping spree)

What is wealth? Technology, production facilities, natural resources, good public infrastructures, etc. We have plenty of those already.

Capitalist "wealth creation" is often a process of generating unnecessary waste in order to keep the circulation of purchasing power in perpetual motion. It is a very destructive and irrational way of wealth distribution.

The problem is in Capitalism you cannot attain a stable equilibrium, a state where one is content with what he has and devote his life to more meaningful persuits.

Instead we are tied to the treadmill of growth or perish. To generate "growth" we have to keep on raping the planet, depleting our resources and poisoning our environment as if there is no tomorrow to create more "wealth".

I read an article years ago that our steel manufacturing technology today is so good that they can make razors that last a lifetime. As a result razor manufacturers such as Gillet have to temper the steel with impurities to make sure that their products wear out quickly.
If no one throw away old stuffs to buy new ones, even though the old stuffs are still in good working order, we will be in a deep recession. This is the insanity of capitalism.

Capitalism appears to be "efficient" because the true costs are not factored into the price. When factorise dump toxic waste and generate green house gas, the costs are "externalized". It will come back to bite us in the ass, but hey, it looks good on the balance book. The capitalist doesn't know anything about value, he only knows price. Whatever he cannot affix a price tag to or turn a profit out of, he thinks it is worthless.

We are extremely lucky to be alive, to find ourselves in this beautiful, hospitable planet with an abundance of resources for us to use wisely. It would be very sad if we ruin it all because of our own greed and short sightedness. Those who are unwilling to take steps to address the urgent problem of global warming and other environmental concerns always use the same excuse: the economy. Well if we keep up this insanity there will come a day when there won't be any economy to worry about.

407. Does Religion Make You Nice?

Comment #280671 by Bonzai on November 8, 2008 at 3:03 am

God is not nice, and he is religious.

408. Does Religion Make You Nice?

Comment #280532 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 5:39 pm

Comment #280517 by phil rimmer on November 7, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Well said, sir. I always hate the language that appeals to "compassion" while arguing for what should be rights. It is like begging.

409. Does Religion Make You Nice?

Comment #280531 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 5:35 pm

"If God does not exist, everything is permitted."

The source of that might have been Jean Paul Satre

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/features/2000/cortesi1.html

An interesting interpretation is found here

http://www.freeratio.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-145063.html

Of course everything is permissible: If someone wants to hunt down people who kill others, who molest children, who commit atrocities, and kill them or imprison them, he can do that too.

Of course everything is permissible: If someone wants to enslave his will to that of another, living or dead, and call that self-enslavement loyalty or dedication to God, he can do that as well.

The message, "If God does not exist, then everything is permitted," is a message not of comfort, but of freedom: We are free to do as we please. It is also a message of responsibility: If we are to have what we want, it is we ourselves who must make it happen. If we want to have a society free of murder, we cannot count on a god to make it so; we must ourselves choose to hunt down murderers and imprison them. We cannot rely the justice of a god, we must create our own justice. We cannot count on either the fear or support of a god, we must count on the fear and support of each other. And we cannot count on a god to tell us what is right or wrong. We have to create right and wrong ourselves.

Yes, if a god does not exist, then everything is "permitted". But only that which each person permits himself, and what we permit each other.

410. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280446 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Am I getting soft or are you changing the tune'

Must be your old age. Look at your avatar! :)

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Comment #280442 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Narib

Check out wealth distribution over the past 30 years if in doubt.The rich have been getting richer and the poor poorer. Middle class is where it was 30 years ago.

Don't waste your breath.

DP would say this is perfectly reasonable. The market rewards the hard working, the smart and punishes the lazy, the stupid and those who make "bad decisions", as it should.

For capitalist fundamentalists like DP the market is not a tool to serve us, it is a moral agent to keep us in line, a God who rules over us.

"Spreading the wealth" and "redistribution" subverts what the market ordains. It is blasphemy.

412. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280436 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 2:07 pm

The "dear leader" reference is stupid and offensive, typical of DP.

DP, if you don't like Obama, try to vote him out next time. The people have spoken and YOU LOST BIG TIME. Your candidate and your dumb ass ideas were REJECTED UNEQUIVOCALLY.

If you want to live in a raw capitalist society where the people are slaves to the market, where most workers labour for low wages, where there is non existent worker right, where there is no universal health care and no taxes, MOVE TO CHINA.

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Comment #280415 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 1:34 pm

Tyler

It also stands to reason that minimum wage workers on the Idaho border would be attracted to the market that can pay more. Idaho border towns now also face a smaller supply of minimum wage workers and see an increase in wages. It does not make sense to use a large minimum wage increase in Washington as evidence that it will not affect jobs in Idaho.

I think "boder town" are the key words. When there is no uniform standard across states, business at the border would take advantage of cheap labour and sell to the same market.

That's why "globalization" without uniform labour standard is bad news for workers.

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Comment #280408 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 1:19 pm

Comment #280398 by Gregg Townsend on November 7, 2008 at 12:51 pm

That is a strange article with a curious thesis.

Its claim is not that busineses are hiring less people because of rising labour cost. But rather, older, less skilled workers with entry level jobs are being displaced by younger, more skilled ones. The author claimed this happened because entry level jobs became more attractive to the skilled workers as a result of a raise in minimum wage. While a younger, more skilled work force became available, employers would hire them to get more bang out of the buck.

It seems a rather torturous argument to me.

I expect business always would hire the best employees availiable. The fact that suddenly you have higher skilled, younger people flooding the market who otherwise would be in school or aimimg for better jobs indicates a larger problem. Perhaps those jobs that require higher skills have disappeared as a result of economical downturn or restructuring? Or maybe tuition is too high so young people can't afford to stay in school? How could the author pinpoint minimum wage as the culprit without looking at other factors?

I don't think a sensible person would suddenly give up college or a good co-op program to get a minimum waged, dead end job simply because he can make 50cents to a dollar more an hour than before. It doesn't make sense.

Edited for clarity

415. Anti-religion agenda among social media users

Comment #280400 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 1:04 pm

Eshto

What about people with fetishes who hook up on the internet, do they have a "religion"?

Of course they do. They are often down on their knees.

In a sense religion is a fetish too.

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Comment #280393 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 12:39 pm

D'Arcy

Total spending power in the economy will not be affected by whose hands the money is in.

But it will affect how the money is spent and how it circulates. Rich people may spend their money overseas or on luxurious imported good. They also save more and may have overseas investments. On the other hand, Poorer folks spend most of their pay checques locally.

417. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280392 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Gregg,

I have read some studies along the line, many are churned out by rightwing think tanks and are quite easily debunk.

McDonald's hires x number of students with minimum wage because they need X number of bodies to handle customers. If the number of customers don't change, even with a raise in minimum wage they will still need x employees. Otherwise there will be long line ups and pissed off customers and they will go elsewhere.

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Comment #280387 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 12:23 pm

If you did know even a little bit, you would know that the cost of labor is related to the cost of products or service

Why single out labour (and taxes)? How about profit margin and CEO compensations?

How come when comanies like NIKE ship their manufacturing overseas and pay the locals slave wages to work in sweatshops, you're still paying high prices for their products?

419. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280379 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Steve

I think you have answered your own question. DP has as much attachment to right-wing dogma as a fundamentalist theist has to their beliefs.

Or he's just a troll coming here to get a reaction. How else do you explain the intentional lying?

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Comment #280377 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 12:13 pm

He also wants people over 55 years old to do community service also. I dont know how he will force them to but I am guessing he will hold back social security or healthcare or something. I dont know how you force 55 years old to do thing.

Where did you see that Obama will force people over 55 to do community service?

From http://www.change.gov/about/

Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55

Are you wilfully lying or are you illiterate?

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Comment #280369 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 12:00 pm

So a company will have to dole out an extra $8,000 a week, plus all the taxes that come with running a business and having employees. Plus lets also remember Obama's tax hikes. But no you guys are right, this will have absolutely no effect at all.

Typical conservative dummy. Penny wise but dollar stupid. That's why you are sitting here arguing with socialists instead of actually making money.

Companies hire people because there is demand. Without demand they wouldn't hire anyone even if there is zero tax and they can get away with paying $2 an hour.

More money in the pockets of the workers means more demand and hence more business. Not so well to do people tend to spend instead of hording their money in overseas investment portfolio, that means more consumers and more profits for businesses.

422. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280362 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 11:52 am

No its simply that liberals know absolutely nothing about how the economy works.

If, in spite of all the spectacular technological advances and abundance in life unimaginable even a generation ago, the only way for "the economy" to "work" is to condemn a large number of your fellow citizens to dire poverty or having to work three jobs to make ends meet, then your economical system is not working.

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Comment #280321 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 10:53 am

Zero

Well, incidentally I was an American soldier and I spent a great deal of time with locals and the Iraqi military building good will. Not that my anecdote is anymore valid then the person you talked to, the other person just happens to confirm your preconceived notions and as a result you are more inclined to trust him.

Did I accuse you of being a liar? I don't see any contradiction in what you said and what my acquitance described. Different wars, for one thing.

However, it is a bit of a stretch for Al to say categorically that civilians have nothing to fear from American tanks (except in the tongue in cheek way of r2s)

424. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280313 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 10:47 am

Zero

Rall’s reasoning is specious, soldiers don’t start wars.

I just read the artcle. Where did he say that the soldiers started the war? He was, however, dismayed by the fact that many soldiers seem to support it.

Furthermore, if soldiers didn’t volunteer there wouldn’t be a country to defend

He was talking about Iraq. What does that have to do with defending your country?

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Comment #280291 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 9:54 am

r2s

Having an American tank in your village means American planes will not be dropping bombs on your village.

This is a good one. :)

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Comment #280279 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 9:33 am

I think Bosnians, Somalians, and Iraqis were glad (not all of course) to see American forces come to their village and rid them of vile oppressors

Exactly which Iraqi were welcoming U.S. invasion force with rice and flower as liberators? I think even Rumsfeld stopped talking about that long time ago.

Then what about Chile, Guatemala, Colombia, Grenada, Nicaragua (not exactly U.S. army, but the Contras terrorists were armed, trained and advised by U.S. military personel)?

EDIT: Incidentally I have talked to somone in the Canadian military who was in Afghanistan. He said the Canadians at least try to build up good will with the locals, the Americans are insane, they hole up in their base and once in a while swoop down from the sky and bomb the crap out of everyone, they are not making any friend and make things more difficult for the allies.

427. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280259 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 9:06 am

I think there were plenty of French people eager to see Americans.

Are we talking about events in our lifetime?

428. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #280251 by Bonzai on November 7, 2008 at 8:57 am

Everyone hates the military until a thug is beating down their door, then the soldiers never arrive fast enough.

In many places in the world the miltary is the biggest thug.

By and large a civilian anywhere in the world has nothing to fear from a tank bearing an American flag rolling up to their village.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH!!!! Get real.

429. President Obama: Bad News For the New Atheists and Other Fundamentalists

Comment #279975 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 5:40 pm

111. Comment #279961 by Goldy

Bravo!

430. Obama the Secularist

Comment #279857 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 1:33 pm

What's with the people who insist that there is something dishonest about his position? There is no "pandering" (either to the religious crowds or the atheists) Many Christians do accept that government should be secular. Atheism is not a prerequisite to secularism.

Obama cannot be clearer on where he stands: faith is private and should remain there.

This is no "platitude" in the U.S.A. Atheists or no, he is definitely a secularist and that is all that should matter.

431. Bad Faith Awards 2008: Vote now

Comment #279832 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 12:58 pm

I tried to find wooter but I couldn't.

432. Obama the Secularist

Comment #279820 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Frankus

Pierre Trudeau said the State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation.

Believe it or not, Lenin said that almost 60 years before Trudeau.

Gay sex was a crime under the Tsar. Lenin abolished the law after the revolution for exactly the reason that "the revolutionary government has no role in the bedrooms of the citizens". It was recriminalized only after Stalin came to power.

But don't broadcast this, or the rightwingers would say, told you so, all you liberals are commies. :)

433. Gay Marriage Outlawed in California

Comment #279813 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 12:44 pm

decius

objective moral values wouldn't be in place to prevent us from buggering each other full-time like a tribe of horny bonobos

You don't need objective moral to prevent us from buggering all day, it would be very tiring for one thing.

434. Gay Marriage Outlawed in California

Comment #279800 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Corylus

One thing all phobias are about is the fear of loss of control (whether at the sight of spiders or in an aircraft that is piloted by someone else).

They would probably be a lot happier if they just went for one or two simple phobias (and avoided the relevant stimulus wherever possible) like the vast majority of us who are sensibly a little crazy. Instead they seem frightened of the whole world.

Some researchers claim that political leanings may be partly genetic and right wingers tend to be more fearful people than liberals. Now who is the wuss, eh?

People who scored highly on a scale measuring fear of death, for example, were almost four times more likely to hold conservative views. Dogmatic types were also more conservative, while those who expressed interest in new experiences tended to be liberals. Jost's review also noted research showing that conservatives prefer simple and unambiguous paintings, poems and songs.

http://thinkbridge.blogspot.com/2008/02/now-that-politics-are-really-heating-up.html

435. Gay Marriage Outlawed in California

Comment #279788 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 12:15 pm

decius

I have been thinking to establish a monthly prize - we could call it the Golden Wooter - to award such brilliant feats.

For some reason I thought of the Golden Hemorrhoid in the Bible. It appears that God has an unhealthy fixation on the anus.

436. Obama the Secularist

Comment #279787 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 12:12 pm

It's a bit of wish thinking that Obama is an atheis

I don't know why we should care. As long as his politics is secular, it is none of our business to inquire into his private beliefs. From what he said about the role of religion in politics (which is nil) I am completely happy.

The political justification for the atheist "movement" is that religion rudely intrudes into secular life. Now the U.S. President elected says in uncertain terms that political and moral positions must be justified in secular terms, accessible to citizens of all faiths and no faith, what more can we ask for?

437. Gay Marriage Outlawed in California

Comment #279772 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 11:44 am

Broshiesq

Yes, in fact, it does make enough of a difference. Especially if black turnout was, say, double the number from the last general election. Reread my post #279722 and redo the math. Use a calculator as necessary.

Sorry, I think your analysis is problematic. If Obama couldn't bring out the black votes, he probably would fail in bringing out Democratic votes in other demographic groups as well. The vote turned out to be close. I think it is reasonable to think that the vast majority of those who voted against prop 8 also voted for Obama.

Now unless you think Rebupublcian supporters would vote against Prop 8, the alternative scenario would be Obama lost California and prop 8 got passed.

So, while Obama perhaps could have taken a stronger stance against prop8 (he did say he opposes it) It is far fetched to try to blame him for bringing out the black voters.

438. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #279682 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:52 am

I didn't say that, zeroangel did. You could at least do me the favor of not attaching my name to other people's statements. Even YOU can manage this.

Sorry, I read Mitchell's post and he attributes the quote to you. Apparently that was zero's.

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Comment #279680 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:49 am

Al

He wrote Israeli in bold. And then said it will be business as usual.

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Comment #279679 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:48 am

Zero

What on earth are you talking about now? I said I did go and was faced with the aforementioned choice. I haven't even voiced my opinion on the Iraq War yet.

What? I didn't say anything about you and the Iraq war.

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Comment #279676 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:46 am

Bad news partner. Rahm Emmanuel IS NOT an Israeli citizen. LGS made that up. It was an anti-semitic lie (one of many LGS vomits here). Emmanuel dealt with this in the 1990's.

I know he is not. That's why I put "Israeli" in quotations.

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Comment #279664 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:35 am

Fortunately for you Worset, you can comfortably pontificate about warfare and morality from your lazy-boy...

Is that not what you are doing as well? So you take the opposite side to Mitchell, but spouting militaristic jingoism doesn't make you a real soldier.

At least he is consistent; he doesn't want to go there, and he doesn't wish it on others.

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Comment #279660 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:29 am

The issue is Obama's Iran policy will affect how Iran proceeds. Iran seems pleased, and since they clamor about the apocalypse and destroying Israel, I get nervous

Meanwhile LGS is mocking Obama for picking an "Israeli" as his chief of staff. It's hard to please everyone. :)

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Comment #279659 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:27 am

Do Iraqis support Obama or McCain' On average' Did Iraqis support the initial invasion' Or do you not think that deeply

I think they basically all want Americans to leave. The time table may differ.

But what does it have to do with anything? Since when do you give Iraqis a vote? Bush didn't poll them before he dropped bombs on them, did he?

445. Gay Marriage Outlawed in California

Comment #279636 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 8:04 am

hungarian

nailing someone's scrotum to a bench

Are you thinking of this guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Flanagan

Sorry Steve. :)

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Comment #279623 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 7:54 am

Steve 790

I think al's argument is that the voters have neglected Al-Quaeda's reaction in electing Obama. He is saying that they should, from what I can tell from his posts.

I don't think that is much of an argument. For if they do, one can argue that democracy shouldn't be taken hostage by terrorists.

Now the only reason why Obama is seen to be "soft" on terrorists is because he argues for leaving Iraq. I think that is a pragmatic stance as the war is bleeding the U.S. dry and there has never been a good reason to be there anyway. The only argument to continue with the occupation, as far as I can see, is a moral one. Namely, like your mother might have told you, you own whatever you break. So the U.S. has to commit to an unwinnable situation even for 100 years, as McCain famously said. Though I don't think McCain was thinking in terms of the U.S. making penance.

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Comment #279605 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 7:40 am

Zero

Bonzai had made that exact mistake in another thread when he accused me of supporting McCain/Palin. He acknowledged that mistake in #748 in this thread

And you make the mistake of assuming that I make the mistake of assuming Al supports McCain. No, that has never been my point.

Now we are even.

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Comment #279603 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 7:38 am

Fucking hell, you are better than that. Al-Qaeda sees Obama's victory as evidence that terrorist tactics can bend the will of the American people. Isn't that completely obvious to anyone.

Al-Qaeda also think that they are doing work for Allah. Must we share their delusions?

449. ELECTION DAY IN THE USA. GO VOTE.

Comment #279585 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 7:26 am

Zero

Absolutely. It is an unfortunate thing, but the far-left (and by extension the Democrats that pander to them) have what I can only describe as utter contempt for the military.

I have not seen any evidence that Obama is contemptous of the military. Indeed many on the left, not just "the far left" are disappointed that he wants to expand the war in Afghanistan and probably to Pakistan. Now our leftist party the NDP wants to withdraw from Afghanistan (which I disagree), I heard that they are now worried because Obama may request us to stay and it would be so much more difficult to say no because of his immense popularity in Canada and among many NDP supporters.

Judging by his words Obama is very much as militaristic as McCain, though with a different emphasis.

I am not saying whether it is good or bad, just pointing out your misconceptions about Obama and "the far left".

You may not be pro GOP, but your tune sounds very much like a McCain supporter, maybe that's why I thought you were on the other thread.

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Comment #279575 by Bonzai on November 6, 2008 at 7:21 am

That wasn't my point. We were talking about the world reaction. Do try to keep up. Or are you just stirring shit, using obnoxious non-sequiters...

There are reactions from friends, which are likely genuine, and there are reactions from the enemies, which are likely deceptive. Can you not draw a difference? Has it occured to you that may be the enemies give their phony endorsements because they don't want Obama to get elected? I am not saying this is necessary the case, but it is a possibility.

I heard you are trying to get a job with the FBI, good luck.